Monday, March 9, 2015

Shall we "Discuss"?

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·  Simran Kaur Ok sir . . . Gaalaa wale kridey sirf
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·  Ravinder Singh Nagoke Sahi kehaa veere lekin bchiter di bhaasha wartan waale baahar he change
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·  ਕਰਮਜੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ji bilkul sanu sochan da time mil janda hai post ja comment dekh ke.
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·  Simran Kaur Hun dekho heimkunt wali tey ik ki karda iko cmt paste kri janda post khraab karda
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·  Sukhwinder Singh Teja Dasmesh Pita Ne Jehdi Baani Ucharan Kiti Hai,
Ab Main Apni Katha Bakhano!!
Tap Saadhat Jeh Bidh Mohe Aano!!
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·  Sukhwinder Singh Teja Je Comment Ja Post Delete Hi Karni Hai Tan Mainu Add Kyon Kita Es Group Ch?
Je Aahi Kam Karne Tan Fer Edda Karo,
Maaro Group Nu Delete, I'd Apni Karo Logout, Te Chup Karke Saujo Ja Ke, Ki Karde Vehle Fb Te?
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·  Simran Kaur Cmt ik var hunda tusi ta post khraab kar rehe ho ji
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·  Sukhwinder Singh Teja Jad tak koi responce ni milda, tad tak mera comment wajda rehnda.
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·  Simran Kaur Koi akalmandi wali gal nai ji eis ch. . .jabbrdasti hai
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·  Sukhwinder Singh Teja Bhaine pehla tu aap khande baate di paahul tan chhak ja ke, aiwen behes ni karidi
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·  Simran Kaur Ji veer ji
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·  Sonu Branala menu pata mera eh coment dlit kr dena simrn ne...but veera eh gal sahi aa jo post pai aa os de mutabik hi coment krea kro...jithe tak khande bate di paul da swal aa... Changa insan changa e hunda oh chahe khande batte di paul shake ya na shake...guru ...See More
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·  Sonu Branala Guru sahb ne khande batte di paul shkon li ik priksha v lai c...aj ta ginti puri kridi aa...kl nu mein v shak k aa jamaga...mera keda jor lagda...jor ta odo onda c jado guru sahb ne kea c v menu insaniat di rakhea lai sir chaide ne..
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·  Simran Kaur Veer eh gallaa nai na sochdy asi. . . . . Vardi paa layi ta ban gye sikh
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Dalvir Singh Gill There wasn't even a single comment on the video i shared, Prof. Jagdish Singh was answered two question in it. it was removed just minutes ago. here's it, again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDVJhLgRyVU
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·  Simran Kaur Again post mr. Dalvir ji
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill i did, in the above comment. i have no urge to convince people or to make them think along the same lines i do.
the illiterate people with the ability to write and read don't qualify as scholars, for a fifth grader there's a system to write an assignment and there's a systematic training for methodological research.
the way we are approaching the holy-books to assay is not right for even ordinary books.
approach any book with an empty mind or we end up reading what we already know.
last line of our synthesis can't form the first sentence of our thesis, but that's all what's being served on the name of "research".
i really don't have time for this, "gurmt anusar jeewn jaachil" added me to this group and i have been through the entire page, right from the formation of the group post to this pinned post. it's this laughable smug attitude that we know Dasam and more than that we have fathomed the Living Guru, Shri Guru Granth Sahib ji.

I can't decide if the situation is to be laughed or cried at.
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi lets take a scholarly approach
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi lets discuss
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi we can discuss the history, writings anything of bachitar natak
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill what's History?
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi we have to define history first or discuss bachitar natak's history.
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill listen that interview and let's set some parameters.
that's what the interview's all about. have you tried your hands on any poetry? could i interest you to write a 15 page paper on Shiv Batalvi's "Loona"?
or a paper on "Ik ONkar"?
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi leave the interview, lets discuss bachitar natak
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·  Simran Kaur So what's d history of bachiter natak
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·  Simran Kaur A Strange Drama
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi its not strange drama rather it is funny drama
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill no my dear Bete Simran, What's History ( if you are interested i can send you a pdf copy of E.H. Carr's book, collection of lectures, under the same name, "What Is History." and/or that of Hegel's "Philosophy of History." )

I'm out of this game before even starting it.
You collect data first and formulate a thesis and then
collect/propose/hypothesize the anti-thesis, the opposing views;
and then come to a synthesis.

when i typed, "last line of our synthesis can't form the first sentence of our thesis."
that's exactly but i meant. The Inference ( Sittaa ) can't be the first sentence of a systematic research.
Discussion is possible only when both the parties firmly believe they both don't know the truth and by discussing they wish to find it, not that they both believe in something and want to convince the other party.

Good Luck with your endeavors and while on the journey try to invest your time in what you believe, in instead of wasting it on things/people you don't.
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi ran away bride.
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill whatever makes you happy Baagi jio. i always say, "grab the medal and ............... step off.!"

if you want we to say couple of things in your praise that how great you are how profound, i'm more than happy to say that.


i can't even step in the ocean of wisdom that you are, sikhs are lucky to have you among themselves for they had been ruined if it's not for you.

Happy?!!!!!!!!
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi you ask for discussion and ran away, that's typical character of bachitaris.
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill when did i ask for a discussion?
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi you put forth an argument, i took it as invitation for discussion
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi i was wrong, you did not called for discussion'
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·  Sonu Branala Dalvir Singh gill ji discssion wali ta koi gal e ni oh kise mudde te hundi aa..siddi ji gl aa jo dashm grnth h oh ik shajish h...
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·  Sonu Branala Hahaha mera naam Braham bhardwaj aa...mein brahmna de ghar peda hoke brahmnwad nu ni manda..ethe log sikh hoke brahmnwadi bane pae ne...had e hogi yr
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·  Sonu Branala Wese dhrm di gal ta grup ch hundi hi rehni...kuj insaniat v ho jawe
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill i merely requested that we shall try to learn "how to discuss?"
runa google search on "how to write an assignment for 10th grade." it'll clear many things.
Prof. Jagdish is not the final authority we can read/listen to anyone.


Baaghi Sahib, i know i didn't called for anything but you were in hurry to call me a bride, a run-away one.

Sonu Branala ji, read all the above comments. or i can repeat it for you

"jo dashm grnth h oh ik shajish h"
is the thesis you presented, now expound it and then usher in the anti-thesis. Because Thesis and Anti-Thesis aren't the same thing, it interests me to see your synthesis.

Vidvaan Jano, jd maiN aap hi ih kih rihaa haaN ki tuhade buddhi-bl agge maiN ikk asloN anparh kmlaa lggdaa haaN taaN tuhanuN jitt diaaN thaapiaaN maarn mauke sochnaa chahida hai ......
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Sonu Branala's photo.

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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi lets discuss gill sahib, why hesitate
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·  Simran Kaur Mr. Gil please discus
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·  Sonu Branala Eni jaldi haar na manno gill sahb haha..es grup ch sab to wadda agyani or murkh mein aa kyoki mein nastik aa...or eh khitab menu atheist likhde e mil janda. So don't wary .hahahahaha
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill Discuss what?When we are eager to come to a conclusion, health of the discussion becomes questionable.Are we going to follow Tarak-Shastra or the modern standards of discussion.We can certainly converse but in order to have a proper debate, you are not offering any format. i offered you something and you don't want to listen to a professor. Let's discuss his interview. Listen to it and soon you find something objectionable bring it here and we will discuss the matter threadbare.
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi lets divide the discussion in four categories.
1. history of the bachitar natak
2. writing which talks about bachitar natak

3. history of sikhs in bachitar natak
4. teaching of bachitar natak according to gurmat
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi if you have any other suggestion please come forward
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill Sonu Branala, [ Thea ( Lt. = Idea ) ], Theist ( Ideologist ), ( putting "A" sound in front makes it non/anti in Sanskrit and English, most of the time.) and Atheist. doesn't attract me. Religion doesn't attract me either but Theology does.
Haar koee hune nhiN mnNi, ikk khaas intellect-level vale bNdiaaN daa maiN sdaa hi daas haaN.
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill i did
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi so lets begin with history of bachitar natak
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi your wish
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·  Sukhwinder Singh Teja Sonu veer ji sabh ton wadhiya lagge mainu
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·  Simran Kaur Sonu ji let them discus. . . .0
But mr. Gill please use punjabi font so dt everyone can understand
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·  Sukhwinder Singh Teja Sonu veer ji sabh ton wadhiya lagge mainu
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·  Simran Kaur Bhaji sabr kro
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi Well i have listened this man couple of times before, he even compared bachitar natak with secularism.
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi he talks about scientific and rational research, i have divide it into four parts.
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill let's first try to understand what history IS?
how did we use to define History?
how colonial discourse changed our perception of history?

what's more important in the dialectical relation between Fact & Interpretation?
So many other questions regarding History.

when you asked me to choose topics, and i responded "i did"
i honestly believe that this video could be a good start.

i have gone through hundreds ( thousands indeed ) of hours of video from both sides. the one i place on top is this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOF4KsIiAQU

youtube.com
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·  Gurdeep Singh Baaghi you seems to be unaware of the facts about bachitar natak
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·  Simran Kaur Plz use punjabi font
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill Simran, it's ten times more time i have spent on this thread than it deserved. it takes way longer to type in Gurmukhi otherwise i'd have loved using it.

Baaghi Sahib, did i say anything about your person assuming anything?

latest accusation is about the facts regarding a certain composition, first was when you assumed me a bachitri.

but this is supposed to happen, we haven't practice a systematic way.
Forget Prof Jagdish, i don't give a care about Philosophy, Logic and other non-sense considered "ChaturaiyaaN" in indian thought.

i'm always eager to learn ( even if it's by discussions, i hate them though ) but no matter how hard one tries i stay away from the mire, called discussion.
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·  Sonu Branala Plz paji na insafi na kro menu eni inglish ni ondi...or na es naal naal koi frk penda...hun dekh lo guru grnth sahib nu inglish vich translat kro ta koi arth ya kaho k koi matlb e ni banda...so plz hindi ch gal kro...davindr Dalvir Singh Gill
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill Sonu ji, maiN shbdaarht, viaakhiyaa ate kathaa tinNaN de hi hq vichch nhiN, ihnaaN khilaaf nahre nhiN maardapr (bhav) sundaa nhiN
te tusiN drust ho ki translation vi ikk traN di interpretation hi hai. maiN ih taaN nhiN khooNga ki translation naal koee arth hi nhiN nikldaa haaN ikk khaas arth niklda hai jisda mool naal mel khaanaa zroori nhiN. ih gll us rachnaa prtee hor vi mhtv vali hai jisdi bntr sngitik hove.
Naad ikk vilkhn vst ( entity ) hai. ucharn diaaN dhunniaaN jis pddhr 'te saanuN andolit krdiaaN hn uh kpol-kriya ( cerebral activity ) naaloN vkhraa hai. mere lee dimag di tssli naloN mere aatm ( essence ) di tsslee ziada ahim hai. ithoN tusiN ih vi smjh g'e hovoNgo ki maiN jaabhaaN de bherh toN kiuN tldaa haaN.
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill what can i do do for you is that i can post some questions by Professor Anurag Singh and you can discuss the living life out of them. i'll stay away from this discussion but you can finish first question and then go to the next and at the end of it prepare a list of answers and the discussion will enter the next round. it's not like, "maiN ikk comment kitaa te sare chupp, sare bhjaa ditte ............. "
is tran di gll nuN "Concluding remark" kehNde hn 'te jiveN naam vichch hi hai ih conclusion vjo aauNda hai behas de start vjoN nahiN.
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·  Sonu Branala Es tra di gal to mein v sehmt nahi...or menu ta Braham gyani wese b kuch jada psand nai...banda dil da changa hona chaida..dalvir singh gill ji..han wad viwad ta chalda e renda.
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill I can brag about myself as a well-read person but i can't say that i can fathom what Bulle Shah wrote. for me, it's secondary who wrote Jaap(u) Sahib, all i can say that it's the best poem i have ever read describing Non-Duality and i can't claim to have understood a single sonnet by Shakespeare or a Single Astpadi from SukhmaniSahib or any ChhaNd from JaapSahib.

Teaching others is not a bad job what i like to learn before i do that.
for me, Religion has only one purpose "Know Thyself" and nothing else.
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill .
ਅਨੁਵਾਦ ਔਖਾ ਕੰਮ ਹੈ। ਮੈਂ ਆਪਣੇ ਹੀ ਇਸ ਹੋੱਕੂ ਦਾ ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਰੂਪ ਨਹੀਂ ਲਿਖ ਸਕਿਆ


dawn painting
the wings of an egret . . .
metal eyes

ਇਸਦੀ ਕੀ ਵਿਆਖਿਆ ਹੋਏ ?
ਇੱਕ ਹੋੱਕੂ ਮਾਹਿਰ ਨੇ ਕੀਤੀ ਸੀ, ਉਹ ਵੀ ਸਾਂਝੀ ਕਰ ਲਵਾਂਗਾ ਜੇ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਕੋਈ ਲੱਖਣ ਲਾਵੋਂਗੇ।
ਹੁਣ ਵਿਦਾ ਲਵਾਂਗਾ, ਫਿਰ ਸਹੀ।
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·  Sonu Branala Mein oh study kita jo tusi hindi vich likea Dalvir Singh Gill....but mein eh v kahaga k dhrm vich loga da dukh sukh vich badal janda...ohna da wishwash hi ona nu hosla dinda...or hr insan aanad hi ta chaunda...fer tusi dimag di shanti nu kyo ni psand krde?? Dhrm v ta nashe da km krda...ta eh katha kirtn kyo ni psand tuhanu?????
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill maiN nhiN kiha ji ki mainuN Kirtan nhiN pasaNd. Kirtan taaN meri jaan hai. Nashaa ahNm ( ego ) toN kaargar koee vi nhiN.
iho nshe de tAhit hi taaN asiN iho khiNde haaN ki kise vi chiz prtee meri smjh hi aakhiri hai. Viakhia bare koee ih taaN keh skdaa hai ki maiN ihnaaN straaN jaaN rachnaa nuN iuN smjhdaa haaN pr ih nhiN kih skdaa ki lekhik daa ih bhav hai. maiN ikk uppr hokku likhia hai usdi ki viakhia hovegi, ih ikk khaas kaavi-vidhaa vichch likhiyaa hai tppl nhiN mari.
maiN ikk chaar laaiynaaN di kvitaa lgaaee si asiN us vichchoN kaal, akaal lbhbhn tur pae 'te ikk suNdr kavita daa uh naas maariyaa ki aakhir admins neN uh post hi htaa ditti, haalaaki mere vloN koee vi comment nhiN si jo us gll-baat daa hissa hove.
jdoN asiN koee tuk Gurbani vichoN vrt rhe huNde haaN taaN Guru kol usdaa faislaa nhiN sun rahe huNde sgoN usnuN gvaah vjoN aapne hq vichch bhugtaa rahe huNde haaN.
Sonu Branala ji tusiN meri fb kNdh 'te aavo, mainuN poori umid hai koee naa koee chiz aisi mil hi javegi ki tsiN mera glaavaaN frh skoN
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·  Sonu Branala Boht khushi di gal h dalvir singh ji k tusi apni zindgi ch khush rehn wale insan ho..gud...eh v ik art aa...but menu ta aheja kuj v ni milea jo mein tuhada galla fad saka....dekho trk vitrk ta chalda e aa...eh pathr yug ta ni h ..so tusi lage raho...Dalvir Singh Gill
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Dalvir Singh Gill DhnNvaad chhote veere, maiN 83-85 ku de gerh 'ch binaa-prhe hi Dasam di baani daa virodhi saaN. 89-90 de gerh 'ch tuhade mehikme vichch vi saaN Trksheel Society Punjab daa Sooba Parchaar Sktr saaN. 95 'ch jdoN iththe knede aaiyaa taaN naastik hi saaN.
tusiN je 3-4 mhine is pase lgaavoN taaN angrezi iddi blaa nhiN hai pr ajj bahutaa smaan angrezi vichch hi mildaa hai. Quantum Physics ne jo hethlee utte liaaNdi hai usde ziadaa videos aNgrezi vichch hi hn.
Logic, Philosophy aadi chhotiaaN khedaaN hn. jo maiN uppr prof Jagdish ji huraaN di jo video ( audio ) saaNjhi kiti si us vichch uh kehNde hn ," flsfaa,, mythology nuN sirf taarkik aadhaar den di koshish krdaa hai, istoN vdhdh kujh nhiN."
Mythology vichchoN hi Freud de Electra te Oedipus complex aauNde hn. pr aapne bhraa ihnaaN nuN kpol klpnaavaaN smjhde hn.
Brahmin-vaad ki hai ih asiN pribhaashit nhiN kr ske pr Brahminvadi kaun hai jne-khne nuN dssde haaN.
maiN ziadatr anuvaad hi krdaa haaN, ise l'e jaabhaaN de bherh toN bchn di koshish krdaa haaN.
Dharam vaaNg Bharam daa vi bhu-vachn nhiN hai. ikk hi bhrm hai alihdgee daa. There's only one illusion, that of separation.
mitr di kitaab vichchoN kujh saaNjhaa krdaa haaN:

ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦੇ ਜੀਵਨਤੇ ਇਕ ਸਰਸਰੀ ਜਹੀ ਝਾਤ, ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਲਈ ਕੋਈ ਇਤਿਹਾਸ ਵੇਤਾ ਜਾਂ ਮਹਾਵਿਦਵਾਨ ਹੋਣ- ਦੀ ਲੋੜ ਨਹੀਂ, ਸਿਰਫ ਅੱਖਾਂ ਖੋਲ ਕੇ ਕੇ ਦੇਖਣ ਦੀ ਜੁਰਅਤ ਚਾਹੀਦੀ ਹੈ, ਹੀ ਇਹ ਸਾਫ ਕਰ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਇਨਾ ਸਾਰੇ ਸ਼ਾਸਤਰਾਂ ਨੇ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰੂਨੀ ਬੰਧਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਕੱਟਿਆ ਨਹੀਂ, ਸਗੋਂ ਹੋਰ ਵੀ ਮਜ਼ਬੂਤ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੈ, ਅੰਦਰੋਂ ਬਾਹਰੋਂ ਦੋਹੇਂ ਪਾਸਿਓਂ ਹੀ ਬੰਦੇ ਨੂੰ ਨੂੜ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਹੈ|
ਗੀਤਾ, ਕੁਰਾਨ ਤੇ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਡੀ ਹਊਮੈ ਨੂੰ ਕਟਣ ਦੇ ਸ਼ਾਸਤਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਬਣ ਪਾਉਂਦੇ, ਸਗੋਂ ਸਾਡੀ ਹਉਮੈ ਦੀ ਪਛਾਣ ਦਾ ਸ਼ਿੰਗਾਰ ਬਣ ਬੈਠੇ ਹਨ| ਬਿਨਾ ਸ਼ਕ ਇਸ ਵਿਚ ਰਚਣਹਾਰੇ ਰਿਸ਼ੀਆਂ, ਗੁਰੂਆਂ ਤੇ ਪੈਗੰਬਰਾਂ ਦਾ ਭੋਰਾ ਭਰ ਵੀ ਦੋਸ਼ ਨਹੀਂ, ਉਨ੍ਹਾ ਨੇ ਇਹ ਸ਼ਾਸਤਰ ਸਾਡੇ ਮਾਨਸਿਕ ਬੰਧਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਕੱਟਣ ਵਾਸਤੇ ਹੀ ਬਣਾਏ ਸਨ|
ਪਰ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਬੜੀ ਅਦਭੁਤ ਚੀਜ਼ ਹੈ, ਇਸ ਦੀ ਧਾਰ ਹਮੇਸ਼ਾ ਹੀ ਦੋ ਧਾਰੀ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ| ਜੋ ਸ਼ਾਸਤਰ ਸਾਡੇ ਹਊਮੈਂ ਨੂੰ ਕਟਣ ਦਾ ਮਾਧਿਅਮ ਬਣ ਸਕਦੇ ਸੀ ਅਸੀਂ ਬੜੀ ਹੀ ਬਖੂਬੀ ਨਾਲ ਉਨ੍ਹਾ ਦਾ ਇਸਤੇਮਾਲ ਇਕ ਦੂਜੇ ਨੂੰ ਕਟਣ-ਵੱਢਣ ਲਈ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੈ, ਤੇ ਆਪਣੀ ਪਛਾਣ ਨੂੰ ਮਜ਼ਬੂਤ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ|
("ਅਸ਼ਟਵਕਰ ਦਾ ਗੀਤ" ਬਲਰਾਮ ਦੁਆਰਾ "ਜਨਕ-ਅਸ਼੍ਟਾਵਕਰ ਸੰਵਾਦ - ਮਹਾ-ਗੀਤਾ" ਦੀ ਵਿਆਖਿਆ ਵਾਲੀ ਪੁਸਤਕ ਵਿੱਚੋਂ )
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·  Sonu Branala Dashm grnth di ik khasiat jo guru grnth sahib ch nahi??? Eh sanu ki khash gyan dinda h????
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·  Sonu Branala Tusi pehla es de virodi c dilver Dalvir Singh Gill..fer es vich ki khas c jo tuhanu guru grnth sahib ch nahi milea???
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·  Sonu Branala Tusi tarkshil sosaety vich v rahe o...ki ki tusi eh dashm grnth te tark kita?? Je tusi tRk kita ta chandi di waar 24 awtar ,te chandi critr ,vchitr natk bare ki kheal ne?? Ki oh es grnth vich ne ya es grnth vich nahi . Dilver Dalvir Singh Gill
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·  Sonu Branala Sikhi vich dashm grnth naa hon da ki nuksan h??? Simran Kaur, dilver Dalvir Singh Gill
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill o bharaavaa mainuN taaN je ikk swaal daa uttr denaa pai jaave taaN maiN usde hisse krke jwaab de pauNdaa haaN te tusiN mainuN 8-10 swaal puchhchh mare.
maiN ihnaaN vichchoN kise daa bhi jwaab nhiN jaaNdaa. tusiN bahut vdhiyaa swaal kede ho, meri bolti bNd ho g'ee
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·  Sonu Branala Hahahahaha
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·  Sonu Branala Tusi jwab dena ni chonde.. Gill sahb
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·  Sonu Branala Jwab tuhade kol nahi...eh ta ni ho sakda...chalo ji tuhanu mubark dashm grnth.
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·  Sonu Branala Eh ta ni ho sakda tuhade kol jwab na howe
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·  Simran Kaur Tarqsheel da iko hathyaar hai. . , . Qus. . . ?
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·  Dalvir Singh Gill nhiN veer maiN ih vi kih skdaa si ki maiN jwaab denaa nhiN chahuNdaa. ihnaa swaalaaN da mere kol sachchmuchch koee jwaab nhiN.
jaaN ih kehnaa sAhee hovegaa ki ih mere swaal nhiN hn.
Buddh toN ikk gll ih vi sikhkhi si ki "jo tuhade swaal nhiN uhnaaN de uttraaN vichch naa uljho". ih sgoN tusiN sochio ki kee ih tuhade swaal hn? kite aiveN hi doosriyaa de swaalaaN 'te hi taaN nhiN saree pich-pich?
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Sonu Branala Hahajaha menu pata veera tusi kithe bol rahe o...but swal ta sahi aa pame mera ni hahaha

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